We’re so profoundly, resiliently fashioned, yet at the same time, we’re so susceptible to such awful infection of our ideology.ĭo you feel like that’s part of what has drawn you to the language of the prophets? I feel like there is more Old Testament language on this album than any other record you’ve recorded. What is it about us that can have such massive blind spots? That’s confusing to me. Talking to them about music, talking to them about the children. Then talking with traffickers, face to face, after paying them for girls that they’re selling. How someone could say love is patient, love is kind, and then tell slaves to obey their masters in historically some of the most brutal slavery in the Roman era.
#Remedy drive warlike free#
How someone could say all men are created equal and then come home and sleep in a house that was run on free labor. And how it was overlooked by men that had such great ideas, otherwise. I’m confused how we accept it still, how there’s definitely slavery that taints the technology we’re using to do this interview– our phones, our computers, my jeans, possibly. The more that I study slavery, whether it’s modern day slavery or slavery that built the economy of the country I live in, or the slavery that seems condoned and sometimes commanded in ancient Hebrew scripture, I’m confused by it. That leads neatly into something I was going to ask you: now that you’re several years in to this work that you’re doing, writing music about it, what are some of the things that you’re learning that you don’t know? What are some of the questions that are coming up for you now? What is challenging you? Instead of letting those particular circumstances be their identities, realizing that person is intricately, delicately, wonderfully, and precisely designed and fashioned in the image of love. Or even bringing home a plate of barbecue from across the street from one of my neighbors who has very clearly been infected by religious nationalism. Whether it’s a trafficker while I’m doing undercover work, or sharing a drink with a woman that’s been forced into prostitution in Latin America, talking about music in Spanish with her. Now, I continue to make a point– sacramentally, almost– to eat with people that I’m different from. And something clicked in me that I’m thankful for. People from different viewpoints and perspectives, all there together, singing together. Something changed in me that night, where I realized in a very real way that these people I’m around, on this hillside, while one of my favorite bands is playing– there was something in which we were all unified. And I don’t like that about myself, because we are more than our mistakes and our viewpoints that don’t align. I’ve developed this ability to see someone’s ideological position as who they actually are.
I’m like “why can’t people see where I’m coming from?” Propaganda was there, and he was doing some controversial talks about race and the border. At first, I was thinking “these are people I have profound disagreements with,” based on the conversations I’d had at the festival. And I looked back, and there were like 10,000 people on this hillside behind me. I’d never heard it in that context before.
I don’t remember exactly what he said, but he used that phrase. It all started for me based on something Jon Foreman actually said at a festival we were both at in 2019. What was it about this concept of the Image of Love that captivated you? What did it look like for you to get hooked on that idea? Let’s start by talking about the phrase in the title. I had the opportunity to catch up with David about what it means to be made in the image of love, how he’s navigated the past year of human history, and what it means to practice hope as a sacrament. The songs capture a defiant hope that resonates both in the work of justice, and in the work of being human and whole in a broken, breaking world. Imago Amor is the third album centered on telling the stories he’s encountered along the way.
For seven years, he has transformed the work of his band to align with the work of justice– specifically, the work of freeing enslaved individuals around the world in partnership with The Exodus Road. The shroud of darkness around the world is woven both of what is happening (a global pandemic, racial injustice, international unrest) and what is not happening (concerts, family gatherings, weddings and key communal celebrations).įor David Zach of Remedy Drive, darkness is not a stranger.
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